[p2pu-dev] (feedback needed) new group type: Challenge

Thu Sep 8 17:13:51 UTC 2011

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Jessica Ledbetter
<jessica at jessicaledbetter.com> wrote:
>
>
> If we have one or three badges per challenge it might not be so bad with
> badges on the left. Otherwise, this could be a really busy page, right? Lots
> of people. Lots of mentors. Lots of badges. Lots of tasks.
>
> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:15 PM, zuzel.vp <zuzel.vp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Letting you know that the mockups keep changing:
>> https://gomockingbird.com/mockingbird/#m5ase18/epp0iO
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Alison Jean Cole <alison at p2pu.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > 1) Add new radio button option at http://p2pu.org/en/groups/create/ to
>> > allow creation of challenges.
>> > * I need a one sentence description of what a challenge is like the
>> > ones we are using for study group, course. Ideas welcome and maybe
>> > John/Jamie/Arlton/... can give us a few initial options?
>> >
>
> Leaving this for them :)
>
>>
>> > 2) Change signup functionality for challenge groups:
>> >  * change name of the participate button to Enroll
>> >  * for signup logic, people just click that button and get signed up
>> > without needing to any signup answer questions
>> >  * the signup page is not accessible since it will not be used
>
> If I'm in the challenge mode, does the wording change? Right now it looks
> like "Start Challenge" so would be "Challenge On" or progress or ____?
>
> Can users leave a challenge? What happens to their progress? ( I figure it's
> stored in the db so stays. )
>
>>
>> > 3) Add self assessment functionality to challenge group tasks (do we
>> > want to have this part for study groups and courses as well? +1 from
>> > me):
>> >  * participants can check off the tasks they consider they have
>> > already completed and this will be first displayed only to them when
>> > they see the task list
>> >  * there was a discussion about check off vs. strike out, please give
>> > you opinion (the mockup
>> > https://gomockingbird.com/mockingbird/#m5ase18/epp0iO is using strike
>> > out)
>> >
>> > Strikeouts are stronger and more prominent, perhaps checkmarks are
>> > cleaner
>> > but not as powerful?
>
> I think less contrast and checkmark is understandable but haven't researched
> that a lot. X is negative feeling. So is red. I know we're not at color
> stage but I'm thinking of another similar project that used red and X.
>

(note: they dont have checkmarks in mockingbird)

>>
>> >  * self-assessment is not related to badges (this will be covered by
>> > Jessica in another email)
>
> Self-assessment as in "I'm done with this"? I think that's where we are
> right now. I'll double check though.
>>
>> >
>> > Like this. How would self assessment work? Mandatory to check off/slash
>> > out
>> > or through comments?
>
> Right, figured it was check-off with being done. Slash out comments? Not
> sure about that one.
>
>>
>> >  * display summary of how many tasks the user has marked as completed
>> > when (s)he views the task list ()
>
> +1 I always see a status bar like on a quest in a game with this. ;)
>
>>
>> >  * discuss options about displaying completion information to others
>> > (can be future todo):
>>
>> >  ** show the number of people who check off the task on the task list/
>> > task page (five friends/peers/people completed this task)
>>
>> >  ** show who completed the task
>
> There was talk about those finishing being able to sign up to mentor others
> but hopefully we'll have a way to change one's mind. Or even know which
> people are quicker to respond or are still active accounts.
>
>> >
>
> Yes. If we get rid of a wall of activity, it'd be nice to publicize that I
> just finished a challenge's task to my wall(?) or that I just finished all
> the challenges and need some peer assessments on my "submitting for badge"
> task. When we get more integrated into social media it'd be nice to post to
> there in order to invite friends to join in and such.
>
>> > Like this. Seeing how others have done could be good motivator.
>>
> +1
>
>>
>> > Other proposed changes I am not starting to work on yet but I am
>> > bringing to your attention for feedback (see
>> > https://gomockingbird.com/mockingbird/#m5ase18/epp0iO and status of
>> > current implementation on demo
>> > http://alpha.p2pu.org:8091/en/groups/new-group/ -- still in progress)
>> > because those are next and they could at some point be extended for
>> > other kinds of groups.
>> >
>> > I would like to see these design simplifications carry over into study
>> > groups & courses, too.
>> >
>> > 4) Disabling features and changing layout on challenge groups:
>> > * Display complete task list on the home page (not on another page)
>> > * No wall activity stream
>
> I'm still not sold on this for all courses but we'll see what we can come up
> with another way to show activity.
>
>>
>> > * No discussions outside tasks (now supported on the wall for study
>> > groups and courses)
>
> I'd be sorry to see this go too for all courses. Wasn't this used a lot in
> the Mozilla Knight course?
>
>>
>> > * No RSS activity feed? -- Not clear if this will be removed since it
>> > is not visible on the mockups
>> > * Remove tasks list from the sidebar
>
> If we can still see all tasks then sure. Some courses have a lot like
> Javascript, I think.
>
>>
>> > * Remove external links + subscriptions
>
> External links is used a lot I think. Subscriptions... not sure. Maybe a
> survey of organizers?
>
>>
>> > * People avatars more prominently displayed, on the main section of
>> > the course page. larger avatars (removed from sidebar)
>
> All avatars? How will "past challenge takers" be shown?
>
>>
>> > * Did I forgot something? What about
>> > under-development/not-listed/ archived status? and the full description
>> > page?
>>
> Full description used a lot? We'd talked about having a longer description
> available on the course's landing page somehow.

Noticed that there is a lot of description on
http://webmaking101.p2pu.org/ where is that text going to be inside
p2pu?

>
> To be able to see if the course is active and when would be helpful. The
> sign up could be shown via the buttons like "Start Challenge." Right now it
> is a little more confusing for me because we have to update the signup
> status and the course status so maybe this will help simplify things.
>
> What about the course statistics box? It might not be that useful for random
> folks but it is a sign of activity. What about the group listing page that
> has similar information like participant number and such?
>
> What about "contact" button? For organizer or challenge maker or mentor or
> such?
>
> What about tags? Chat?
>
> What about organizer/participant buttons at the top? Or are they still at
> the top?

Another open question for me is what happens with emails notifications
in challenge groups? Do they exist? How do they work?

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