[p2pu-dev] Lernanta architecture

Mon Mar 14 00:04:36 UTC 2011

Research on social learning is important to P2PU. However, the feedback we
are getting, argues that the immediate priority should be fixing the user
experience (helping people learn), and I do think there is an important
distinction. Once we feel good about the basic user experience, let's think
about enabling more people to add functionality and experiment (the P2PU
labs idea we discussed in Barcelona). I don't think we can really do both
right now and I don't want us to get side tracked. Laser focus on user
experience.

P

On 13 March 2011 10:16:01 UTC-4, zuzel.vp <zuzel.vp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Understood :)
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Stian Håklev <shaklev at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Also, I am not at all saying that all of these are priority objectives
> for
> > the next iteration in Q2 or Q3, etc. We all want a decent platform that
> > doesn't inflict pain, for all the course organizers who keep running
> courses
> > etc. Some of the things I suggested might be quite difficult - like
> getting
> > data from Big Blue Button. What I am suggesting is that we design it so
> that
> > it is possible or easy in the future for someone to work on that.
> Similarly,
> > perhaps part of my PhD thesis will be trying to implement a graphical
> > discourse tool in P2PU, and experiment with different course designs
> using
> > that. I might put in a lot of time doing the coding myself-  but I would
> > appreciate a platform that enables that.
> > Stian
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 09:43, zuzel.vp <zuzel.vp at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't have a strong opinion about what to prioritize here (i.e.,
> >> unless someone says the contrary i will give them equal priority), but
> >> it's good to hear about our objectives for lernanta since that is
> >> highly important in the design process. Even if we don't split both
> >> objectives in our mind it is likely that some features will respond to
> >> use cases from both (i.e., support both peer learning and research),
> >> and others from one of them (either peer learning or research to
> >> identify how to do peer learning well). Having these use cases in mind
> >> helps a lot to design and re-design.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thanks,
> >>    Zuzel
> >>
> >> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Stian Håklev <shaklev at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > Hi Zuzel,
> >> > it's an interesting split between "tool to support peer learning" and
> >> > "tool
> >> > to support research about peer learning", but I am not sure I agree.
> >> > Now,
> >> > obviously you could argue that I am biased - I'm in a PhD program, and
> >> > plan
> >> > to do research on peer-learning, and indeed would like to do that
> >> > research
> >> > on P2PU (although I am not tied to it). However, I believe that from
> the
> >> > beginning when we created P2PU, our idea was not just to create a very
> >> > successful product (although that would be great!), but to push the
> >> > field of
> >> > open education forwards - by innovating, experimenting, learning, and
> >> > sharing everything we did.
> >> > The point is that nobody today knows how to do peer learning well.
> There
> >> > are
> >> > examples out there - David Wiley's courses inspired us at first, the
> >> > MOOCs
> >> > are interesting, and now we have lot's of case studies from P2PU. We
> can
> >> > also learn a lot from social interactions that are not directly
> similar
> >> > -
> >> > collaborative communities like Wikipedia, OSQA, etc. But we're really
> >> > just
> >> > beginning to understand what makes one P2PU course successful, and
> >> > another
> >> > not.
> >> >
> >> > And this research cannot really be separated from practice - there are
> >> > too
> >> > many variables. So the best we can do is to keep running courses,
> >> > document
> >> > how we do it and the decisions we make, gather as much data as
> possible
> >> > to
> >> > evaluate how it went, experiment systematically and creatively, and
> >> > iterate.
> >> > And in addition to all the internal research we do - invite in
> external
> >> > researchers who can both add new theoretical perspectives and rigour,
> >> > and
> >> > also get our name into peer-reviewed journals etc (we're already
> working
> >> > with several).
> >> > Our recent Hewlett application (which we should find out about in a
> few
> >> > days
> >> > - very exciting!) has a very heavy research focus, looking at
> measuring
> >> > success at a number of levels.
> >> > So I see this data collection as crucial to improve the main purpose
> of
> >> > P2PU, which is to enable more people to learn. But I am looking
> forward
> >> > to
> >> > discussing this further.
> >> > Stian
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 08:52, zuzel.vp <zuzel.vp at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I just read it and I will add a ticket (or maybe more to split the
> >> >> ideas) to lighthouse. We will probably talk about this early this
> week
> >> >> when we meet in person. A few things that crossed my mind after
> >> >> reading that wiki page.
> >> >>
> >> >> Lernanta can be seen from different angles (e.g., a tool to support
> >> >> peer learning, a tool to support research about peer learning).
> >> >> Depending in how we want to use Lernanta the design could be
> >> >> different. Independently of how you use Lernanta we will probably
> >> >> interact with many external services (as Etherpad, wiki, chat, Big
> >> >> Blue Button, blogs, ...), but the interaction with this services will
> >> >> vary if the objective is to support peer learning or support research
> >> >> about peer learning. In order to support peer learning having a
> course
> >> >> with links and the necessary status updates (so people visit this
> >> >> links only when necessary) could be sufficient for many of the
> >> >> external services. However, from a research perspective having all
> the
> >> >> data (or as much data as possible) in the same place is highly
> useful.
> >> >>
> >> >> One thing I will like to know is how much weight to put (in terms of
> >> >> priorities) to this two use cases.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >>    Zuzel
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Stian Håklev <shaklev at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Hi guys, I just posted some ideas about the lernanta architecture
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > I've
> >> >> > been thinking about for quite a while,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > here:
> https://github.com/p2pu/lernanta/wiki/Stian's-ideas-about-lernanta-functionality
> >> >> > The main thrust is extendibility - because we have to recognize
> that
> >> >> > we
> >> >> > simply do not know what an effective learning environment looks
> like.
> >> >> > (We
> >> >> > know a little bit more today than a year and a half ago, but we're
> >> >> > still
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > the very beginning). And of course, different course organizers
> will
> >> >> > need
> >> >> > different tools. It should be very clean, easy to manage, and
> provide
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > basic tools well documented - but it should also be easy to
> >> >> > experiment
> >> >> > with
> >> >> > adding new ways of interacting.
> >> >> > And interaction with external services is really key - both for the
> >> >> > experience of taking the course, and getting data on learner
> >> >> > interaction, so
> >> >> > that we can do research on learning at P2PU.
> >> >> > I believe these two aspects will make the P2PU platform very
> >> >> > compelling
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > course organizers, students and researchers.
> >> >> > Looking forward to discuss these ideas further.
> >> >> > Stian
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
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> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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