[p2pu-dev] Lernanta architecture

Sun Mar 13 14:16:01 UTC 2011

Understood :)

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Stian Håklev <shaklev at gmail.com> wrote:
> Also, I am not at all saying that all of these are priority objectives for
> the next iteration in Q2 or Q3, etc. We all want a decent platform that
> doesn't inflict pain, for all the course organizers who keep running courses
> etc. Some of the things I suggested might be quite difficult - like getting
> data from Big Blue Button. What I am suggesting is that we design it so that
> it is possible or easy in the future for someone to work on that. Similarly,
> perhaps part of my PhD thesis will be trying to implement a graphical
> discourse tool in P2PU, and experiment with different course designs using
> that. I might put in a lot of time doing the coding myself-  but I would
> appreciate a platform that enables that.
> Stian
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 09:43, zuzel.vp <zuzel.vp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I don't have a strong opinion about what to prioritize here (i.e.,
>> unless someone says the contrary i will give them equal priority), but
>> it's good to hear about our objectives for lernanta since that is
>> highly important in the design process. Even if we don't split both
>> objectives in our mind it is likely that some features will respond to
>> use cases from both (i.e., support both peer learning and research),
>> and others from one of them (either peer learning or research to
>> identify how to do peer learning well). Having these use cases in mind
>> helps a lot to design and re-design.
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>    Zuzel
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Stian Håklev <shaklev at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Zuzel,
>> > it's an interesting split between "tool to support peer learning" and
>> > "tool
>> > to support research about peer learning", but I am not sure I agree.
>> > Now,
>> > obviously you could argue that I am biased - I'm in a PhD program, and
>> > plan
>> > to do research on peer-learning, and indeed would like to do that
>> > research
>> > on P2PU (although I am not tied to it). However, I believe that from the
>> > beginning when we created P2PU, our idea was not just to create a very
>> > successful product (although that would be great!), but to push the
>> > field of
>> > open education forwards - by innovating, experimenting, learning, and
>> > sharing everything we did.
>> > The point is that nobody today knows how to do peer learning well. There
>> > are
>> > examples out there - David Wiley's courses inspired us at first, the
>> > MOOCs
>> > are interesting, and now we have lot's of case studies from P2PU. We can
>> > also learn a lot from social interactions that are not directly similar
>> > -
>> > collaborative communities like Wikipedia, OSQA, etc. But we're really
>> > just
>> > beginning to understand what makes one P2PU course successful, and
>> > another
>> > not.
>> >
>> > And this research cannot really be separated from practice - there are
>> > too
>> > many variables. So the best we can do is to keep running courses,
>> > document
>> > how we do it and the decisions we make, gather as much data as possible
>> > to
>> > evaluate how it went, experiment systematically and creatively, and
>> > iterate.
>> > And in addition to all the internal research we do - invite in external
>> > researchers who can both add new theoretical perspectives and rigour,
>> > and
>> > also get our name into peer-reviewed journals etc (we're already working
>> > with several).
>> > Our recent Hewlett application (which we should find out about in a few
>> > days
>> > - very exciting!) has a very heavy research focus, looking at measuring
>> > success at a number of levels.
>> > So I see this data collection as crucial to improve the main purpose of
>> > P2PU, which is to enable more people to learn. But I am looking forward
>> > to
>> > discussing this further.
>> > Stian
>> >
>> > On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 08:52, zuzel.vp <zuzel.vp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I just read it and I will add a ticket (or maybe more to split the
>> >> ideas) to lighthouse. We will probably talk about this early this week
>> >> when we meet in person. A few things that crossed my mind after
>> >> reading that wiki page.
>> >>
>> >> Lernanta can be seen from different angles (e.g., a tool to support
>> >> peer learning, a tool to support research about peer learning).
>> >> Depending in how we want to use Lernanta the design could be
>> >> different. Independently of how you use Lernanta we will probably
>> >> interact with many external services (as Etherpad, wiki, chat, Big
>> >> Blue Button, blogs, ...), but the interaction with this services will
>> >> vary if the objective is to support peer learning or support research
>> >> about peer learning. In order to support peer learning having a course
>> >> with links and the necessary status updates (so people visit this
>> >> links only when necessary) could be sufficient for many of the
>> >> external services. However, from a research perspective having all the
>> >> data (or as much data as possible) in the same place is highly useful.
>> >>
>> >> One thing I will like to know is how much weight to put (in terms of
>> >> priorities) to this two use cases.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>    Zuzel
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Stian Håklev <shaklev at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hi guys, I just posted some ideas about the lernanta architecture
>> >> > that
>> >> > I've
>> >> > been thinking about for quite a while,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > here: https://github.com/p2pu/lernanta/wiki/Stian's-ideas-about-lernanta-functionality
>> >> > The main thrust is extendibility - because we have to recognize that
>> >> > we
>> >> > simply do not know what an effective learning environment looks like.
>> >> > (We
>> >> > know a little bit more today than a year and a half ago, but we're
>> >> > still
>> >> > in
>> >> > the very beginning). And of course, different course organizers will
>> >> > need
>> >> > different tools. It should be very clean, easy to manage, and provide
>> >> > the
>> >> > basic tools well documented - but it should also be easy to
>> >> > experiment
>> >> > with
>> >> > adding new ways of interacting.
>> >> > And interaction with external services is really key - both for the
>> >> > experience of taking the course, and getting data on learner
>> >> > interaction, so
>> >> > that we can do research on learning at P2PU.
>> >> > I believe these two aspects will make the P2PU platform very
>> >> > compelling
>> >> > for
>> >> > course organizers, students and researchers.
>> >> > Looking forward to discuss these ideas further.
>> >> > Stian
>> >> >
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