[p2pu-dev] Should we be recommending Profile tags as the main way to suggest course ideas?

Thu Jul 21 09:57:11 UTC 2011

Whatever tagging solution is chosen it's important to show whether courses
exist for that tag and if not, to prompt users to create a course / sign up
for a notification when a course is created by someone else

If no courses exist
"No courses currently exist for this tag. To be the first person to create a
related study group or task click here:"

or "Sign up to be notified when courses matching this tag are created"

P*

On 20 July 2011 21:43, zuzel.vp <zuzel.vp at gmail.com> wrote:

> From the README of django-taggit-templatetags sounds like it is what
> we are looking for.
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Jessica Ledbetter
> <jessica at jessicaledbetter.com> wrote:
> > We'd looked at django-tagging and taggit did more what we wanted. We
> could
> > do a cloud probably without needing to go to tagging and losing some of
> the
> > functionality that taggit gives us.
> >
> > There's also https://github.com/feuervogel/django-taggit-templatetags
> >
> > No, I don't think we store when a tag was added to a person but could
> fire
> > an activity? We store a little extra already on a Tag above the Taggit
> level
> > since a person can have 3 types of tags. I guess it depends on what we
> hope
> > to get from it. People recently tagged with X? Or maybe new tags [click
> and
> > see the person/people with it]. Or even a chart showing tag popularity
> over
> > time? Or is this "X has added Y to her interests" on her profile's
> activity
> > stream?
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Zuzel VP <zuzel at p2pu.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> +1 for using a third party dependency for this.
> >>
> >> Hmm, maybe we need to change to django-tagging
> >> (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/405675/django-tag-cloud-plugin)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thanks,
> >>    Zuzel
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Wesley Pennock
> >> <wesleymarkpennock at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Tag cloud is good maybe implemented in Javascript with jQuery...
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Jessica Ledbetter
> >> > <jessica at jessicaledbetter.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Alison: Yes, it's feasible. Just has the bare UI right now :)
> >> >> Jessy: Recently added/popular on front ... If recently added, we
> could
> >> >> make an activity like when someone creates a task for a course but
> that
> >> >> might be spammy. Is this in its own box? Like a "tag cloud" style
> box?
> >> >> We
> >> >> have 3 types on a user, and 1 on a course.
> >> >> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Jessy Kate Schingler
> >> >> <jessy at jessykate.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> we shoud show a list of popular/recently added interests on the
> front
> >> >>> page/landing page somewhere?
> >> >>> @jessica yeah, there are some good lists of english stop words we
> can
> >> >>> use
> >> >>> to get rid of that kind of cruft :)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Jessy
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> http://jessykate.com
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Alison Jean Cole
> >> >>> <alisonjean.cole at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> +1 for auto suggest, if it's feasible - not to narrow folks'
> interest
> >> >>>> but to broaden the chances that they'll connect with others.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> ALISON
> >> >>>> p2pu.org/en/alison/
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Jessica Ledbetter
> >> >>>> <jessica at jessicaledbetter.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Social glue: +1 That's one of the reasons. I'd love to find all
> the
> >> >>>>> other people interested in web stuff so I can follow on P2PU or
> add
> >> >>>>> to G+ or
> >> >>>>> whatnots. :)
> >> >>>>> Jessy: Awesome. Let me know how it goes. I did notice quite a bit
> of
> >> >>>>> wonk and have some ideas (maybe a blacklist of terms like "of"
> >> >>>>> "the") for
> >> >>>>> some folks' tags.
> >> >>>>> Wesley: Metric is a measurement really. So like how many people
> have
> >> >>>>> a
> >> >>>>> certain tag could be a metric. It could then be expanded to show
> how
> >> >>>>> many
> >> >>>>> people have that tag and visited the site within the last week. We
> >> >>>>> can use
> >> >>>>> them to help us improve and see how we're doing as a system.
> >> >>>>> We could do a 'related' table but think that that'd be way down
> the
> >> >>>>> line if we did go that route. For example, "javascript" "php"
> >> >>>>> "mysql" tags
> >> >>>>> are all "web" but only "javascript" and "php" might be
> >> >>>>> "programming."
> >> >>>>> I've noticed quite a few folks put "programming" and that
> influenced
> >> >>>>> me
> >> >>>>> putting programming so I'm thinking of an auto-suggest which might
> >> >>>>> help.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I get excited about things that help with finding stuff and
> linking
> >> >>>>> us
> >> >>>>> together so pardon if my emails on tagging get too long :)
> >> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Alison Jean Cole
> >> >>>>> <alisonjean.cole at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> In the fairy tale future, hopefully tags will serve as the social
> >> >>>>>> glue
> >> >>>>>> - they will give users the ability to suggest courses, find
> >> >>>>>> collaborators,
> >> >>>>>> invite guest experts, make friends, etc..
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> ALISON
> >> >>>>>> p2pu.org/en/alison/
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Jessy Kate Schingler
> >> >>>>>> <jessy at jessykate.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> when i do the next round of work on the metrics script, maybe i
> >> >>>>>>> could
> >> >>>>>>> have it scrape that field and do an auto-count of terms used.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Jessy
> >> >>>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>>> http://jessykate.com
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Wesley Pennock
> >> >>>>>>> <wesleymarkpennock at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Agreed maybe make similar tag connections? Not entirely sure
> how
> >> >>>>>>>> that would work but I have high hopes it can be done. Jessica
> >> >>>>>>>> what is a
> >> >>>>>>>> metric by the way?
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Jessica Ledbetter
> >> >>>>>>>> <jessica at jessicaledbetter.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> User tags aren't perfect and I'm hoping to tweak it a little.
> I
> >> >>>>>>>>> have a long list in my head and some on the commit note too.
> >> >>>>>>>>> Yes, we're hoping that we can easily see who all wants X as a
> >> >>>>>>>>> topic. It's not perfect though and I'm thinking of ways to
> make
> >> >>>>>>>>> it better.
> >> >>>>>>>>> For example, if one person puts "Javascript" but I want to see
> >> >>>>>>>>> everyone
> >> >>>>>>>>> wanting to learn "jQuery" maybe those Javascript people would
> be
> >> >>>>>>>>> interested
> >> >>>>>>>>> in it. Could just be as simple as "Find all people tagged with
> >> >>>>>>>>> these terms:
> >> >>>>>>>>> javascript jquery prototype node." Also, typos count so those
> >> >>>>>>>>> looking for
> >> >>>>>>>>> "Javscript" won't find "Javascript." I could do a "like" for
> >> >>>>>>>>> suggestions and
> >> >>>>>>>>> something like "did you mean?"
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Yes, I'm also hoping for metrics. I love metrics and will help
> >> >>>>>>>>> how
> >> >>>>>>>>> I can.
> >> >>>>>>>>> Yes, I want to be able to subscribe to a tag and get notified
> >> >>>>>>>>> when
> >> >>>>>>>>> a course [1] is created with such.
> >> >>>>>>>>> Courses will have organizer supplied tags in the next release
> >> >>>>>>>>> and
> >> >>>>>>>>> some of that code is already committed (though not in
> >> >>>>>>>>> production).
> >> >>>>>>>>> Some of this code is me scratching my own itch but that's one
> of
> >> >>>>>>>>> the awesome things about open source ;) Patches/pull requests
> >> >>>>>>>>> welcome!
> >> >>>>>>>>> [1] Course, study group, workshop, etc. :)
> >> >>>>>>>>> ~Jessica
> >> >>>>>>>>> Volunteer Developer
> >> >>>>>>>>> Lernanta/P2PU
> >> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Wesley Pennock
> >> >>>>>>>>> <wesleymarkpennock at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes Pippa we should. We could have school organizers look
> >> >>>>>>>>>> through
> >> >>>>>>>>>> all the users "want to learn more section" and using that
> >> >>>>>>>>>> decide what should
> >> >>>>>>>>>> taught next. And maybe create a graph of some sort out of
> this
> >> >>>>>>>>>> data. These
> >> >>>>>>>>>> are just some preliminary thoughts though. Also about the
> user
> >> >>>>>>>>>> notification
> >> >>>>>>>>>> of courses that match their tag, this is a brilliant idea and
> >> >>>>>>>>>> should be
> >> >>>>>>>>>> implemented immediately.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Pippa Buchanan
> >> >>>>>>>>>> <Pippa.Buchanan at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm reviewing the SoW FAQ information.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> One section I'd like to make sure we get right is "I'd like
> to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> suggest a course idea, but not necessarily organise it
> myself.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Can I do
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> that?"
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> We're currently recommending Uservoice as the way to suggest
> a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> course idea. The problem is that potential P2PU users end up
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> creating a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uservoice account instead of a P2PU account.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> As we've now started to use tags, should I start
> recommending
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> users that they create a profile and add relevant tags to
> the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Want to learn
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> more about" section?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> How do we imagine that this  will end up being used? Will
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> users
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> with tags get notified when courses with matching tags are
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> created?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> P*
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Wesley Pennock
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Check Out The Techie School
> >> >>>>>>>>>> http://techieschool.blogspot.com/
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>>>>> Jessica Ledbetter
> >> >>>>>>>>> http://jessicaledbetter.com
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>>>> Sincerely,
> >> >>>>>>>> Wesley Pennock
> >> >>>>>>>> Check Out The Techie School
> >> >>>>>>>> http://techieschool.blogspot.com/
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
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> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
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> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
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> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> --
> >> >>>>> Jessica Ledbetter
> >> >>>>> http://jessicaledbetter.com
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
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> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
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> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Jessica Ledbetter
> >> >> http://jessicaledbetter.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Sincerely,
> >> > Wesley Pennock
> >> > Check Out The Techie School
> >> > http://techieschool.blogspot.com/
> >> >
> >> >
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Jessica Ledbetter
> > http://jessicaledbetter.com
> >
> >
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