[p2pu-webcraft] What Languages Should Be Taught?

Tue Jul 5 00:36:21 UTC 2011

Agreed Pippa now I guess the question is do we start a google group or
mailing list. I am gonna go with a mailing list and contact John
immediately!

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Pippa Buchanan <Pippa.Buchanan at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'd start off with having a mailing list which lets tech group participants
> and organisers meet and talk with each other.  If you ask John Britton
> (P2PU's Product Manager) he might be able to setup a P2PU account. Otherwise
> I'd suggest using Google Groups and letting the P2PU community know about
> it.
>
> You're going to need that list (and community) once there's a more formal
> school structure, so I'd focus on that first before making an application
> for school status. Besides having a content focus and a name you can tag a
> group with, a school primarily acts as a forum and framing within which to
> discuss and collaborate on each others groups and help each other out.
>
> Having an active list will support a future application as you'll show that
> there's both need and support for a general technology school
>
> Before Mozilla formally became involved and brought me into the picture
> there was a much more informal grouping of people talking about open web
> development on a list. That initial set of discussions gave me / us the
> beginning of a community to work with as we became more "School" like.
>
> Both School of Math Futures and School of Social Innovation also evolved
> out of existing communities (online and offline) and then progressed to P2PU
> and schoolness.
>
> To be honest, getting a school started and running it isn't like flicking
> on a switch.  It's something I'm still learning how to do (as one of many
> people involved) and there's a million ways I can improve what I'm doing.
>
> P*
>
>
> On 5 July 2011 09:22, Wesley Pennock <wesleymarkpennock at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I love the way you are thinking man and I agree. Currently I am going to
>> write up the paper work to get a school officially started but I need more
>> courses on non web based languages like Lisp,C++, or even Fortran. How do
>> you think it would evolve organically though?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Pippa Buchanan <Pippa.Buchanan at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Parag, Wesley et al,
>>>
>>> It's really difficult to draw the line at what is general tech skills and
>>> what is very Webcraft specific. From a Webcraft perspective a general
>>> programming course would be better presented with Processing.js<http://processingjs.org/>as it will improve Javascript skills and can be viewed easily on the web.
>>>
>>> Mozilla's also working on Hackasaurus <http://hackasaurus.org/> which is
>>> about introducing kids (and anyone really) to web hacking basics in a very
>>> fun way.
>>>
>>> Languages like Lua, Fortran :-), Lisp or C++, while useful, just aren't
>>> the type of things that School of Webcraft can officially support as they're
>>> not web focussed.
>>>
>>> Once again, it raises the issue of how to support a more general
>>> technology focussed school within P2PU that overlaps nicely with School of
>>> Webcraft.  I think that this is something that will evolve organically from
>>> existing tech courses and groups.
>>>
>>> P*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3 July 2011 21:32, Parag Shah <adaptives at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Scratch (from what I understand) is a great way to learn the basics of
>>>> programming in a visual way. It might be a nice way to introduce an HTML/CSS
>>>> designer to programming concepts. It also may be a very good way of
>>>> introducing school children to the concepts of programming (if SoW plans on
>>>> working with that audience).
>>>>
>>>> Lua according to the Tiobe index is one of the fastest growing languages
>>>> in adoption. It is also one of the most popular languages for game
>>>> programming. I think game programming is a very nice way to learn computing
>>>> concepts.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Thanks & Regards
>>>> Parag Shah
>>>> http://blog.adaptivesoftware.biz
>>>> http://diycomputerscience.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Wesley Pennock <
>>>> wesleymarkpennock at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> PHP,Python,and Javascript are currently covered but I would like to
>>>>> know more about Lua and scratch. Care to elaborate on why you think they
>>>>> should be taught?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Parag Shah <adaptives at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am assuming this is in the context of web programming.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Javascript, Python, PHP, Ruby, Scheme, Coffee Script, HTML-5, Lua,
>>>>>> scratch
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have included Lua purely because it is a very popular language for
>>>>>> game programming, and that is an area which seems to be increasing in
>>>>>> popularity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am including Scratch because it *may* be a good first language.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Thanks & Regards
>>>>>> Parag Shah
>>>>>> http://diycomputerscience.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Wesley Pennock <
>>>>>> wesleymarkpennock at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fortran seriously man I need actual languages that are not dead.
>>>>>>> Maybe common Lisp or Ruby, any thoughts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:15 AM, paulbooker.me at gmail.com <
>>>>>>> paulbooker.me at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>> Fortran 77 :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 30/06/2011 18:03, Wesley Pennock wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was wondering what languages you guys think should be taught, I
>>>>>>>> know HTML-5,PHP, and Python are being taught but not much more. Any language
>>>>>>>> course suggestions guys?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>> Wesley Pennock
>>>>>>>> Check Out The Techie School
>>>>>>>> http://techieschool.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Best, Paul
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>>> Paul Booker
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Twitter: @paulbooker
>>>>>>>> Drupal:  http://drupal.org/user/25892
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> Wesley Pennock
>>>>>>> Check Out The Techie School
>>>>>>> http://techieschool.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Thanks & Regards
>>>>>> Parag Shah
>>>>>> http://blog.adaptivesoftware.biz
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Wesley Pennock
>>>>> Check Out The Techie School
>>>>> http://techieschool.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Sincerely,
>> Wesley Pennock
>> Check Out The Techie School
>> http://techieschool.blogspot.com/
>>
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-- 
Sincerely,
Wesley Pennock
Check Out The Techie School
http://techieschool.blogspot.com/
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