[p2pu-webcraft] Challenges Feedback

Allen Gunn gunner at aspirationtech.org
Wed Aug 31 06:37:44 UTC 2011

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PS it may be a stretch, but having stairstep personas associated with
each challenge might be fun:

Content hoster
HTML whisperer
Style setter

, such that a progress indicator can fill up thermometer style.

I say this not because thermometers are the end-all be-all of feedback
mechs, but because in the current format, the challenges don't help me
understand "how far have I come", "how far to go" and "where am I" issues.


On 08/30/2011 10:06 AM, Philipp Schmidt wrote:
> I believe the challenges still live at webmaking101.p2pu.org
> <http://webmaking101.p2pu.org> at the moment. Can't be edited by others. 
> P
> On 30 August 2011 12:57, Alison Cole <alison at p2pu.org
> <mailto:alison at p2pu.org>> wrote:
>     If Laura joins the course as a participant she can edit all tasks
>     that Jamie has marked collaborative/editable.
>     On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Laura Hilliger
>     <laura at zythepsary.com <mailto:laura at zythepsary.com>> wrote:
>         Hi everyone,
>         Just wanted to give some feedback on the challenges. First off,
>         I applaud all those involved. You guys rock. 
>         I'd like to give some feedback on http://webmaking101.p2pu.org/
>         as a whole, from the perspective of someone not involved. I get
>         that it's a pilot program, I have no idea what your timeline is
>         and I don't know what all you're already discussing. I'm also
>         aware that it's a draft. If my feedback is irrelevant than
>         please forgive me for wasting your time! That said, I have
>         perused a bunch of your documentation.
>         1. On the Introduction page - text says "The only assumption
>         made is that the learner can use the web..." Really, what does
>         this mean "use the web"? I'm a little confused on the target
>         audience. Through the documentation that I find on Webmaking
>         101, the target audience is very loosely defined. In fact, the
>         definition I find for SoW is "general audience" and "targeted
>         niche audience" (learning web development from the ground up and
>         niche topics for developers). Can you be more specific about the
>         target audience? Who are you targeting, twenty-somethings that
>         don't write HTML yet? There's a difference between people who
>         use the web for email, facebook and amazon and people who know
>         how to USE the web. 
>         The reason i point this out is because there are basics to web
>         usage that aren't approached on SoW and I wonder if there should
>         be a WebUsage 101course with challenges that approach those
>         basics. For example, collaborative document editing - something
>         we all do, but is MAGIC to people who aren't web "users". You'd
>         be surprised how many people out there don't actually know that
>         they can share documents without attaching a .doc to an email.
>         Or searching, lots of people don't actually know how to find
>         things on the web, believe it or not. Or online photos...This is
>         digital divide stuff, I guess, but I always thought that SoW
>         should think about approaching these basics, but I don't know if
>         that was ever in discussion.
>         These are much bigger questions that apply to a lot of projects
>         out there, just something to think about. 
>         2. "The challenges are designed to be followed in a serial
>         manner..." How will you integrate the challenges to
>         corresponding courses? I'm curious as to how this will be
>         implemented in SoW and wonder if anyone wants to tell us about
>         that. Where are the challenges going to be accessible? What does
>         one have to complete to start doing the challenges? Are the
>         challenges only attached to the Webmaking 101 course, or will
>         they be accessible through the CSS or HTML5 courses as well? 
>         3. There are a lot, a lot of typos. I'd be happy to do some
>         editing if you point me to an editable document.
>         4. On the 2nd challenge, 1st task - "12 Rules for Choosing the
>         Right Domain" is directed at users in the USA. European users
>         have a very different take on some of these points. Just an FYI.
>         3rd Task - give recommendations for FLOSS editors! 
>         5. Is this how the challenges are to be ordered? If so, you
>         might want to get people visualizing their pages BEFORE they
>         start programming, or is the intention that they learn through
>         programming the earlier challenges and then redo the challenges
>         when creating their site?
>         6. What about image editing, webfonts and open licensed content? 
>         Ok, that's enough for now. Don't know if any of it is useful,
>         but those are the thoughts that were on the top of my head. 
>         Cheers!
>         Laura
>         Laura F. Hilliger
>         laura at zythepsary.com <mailto:laura at zythepsary.com> 
>         www.zythepsary.com <http://www.zythepsary.com/> 
>         @epilepticrabbit <http://twitter.com/#%21/epilepticrabbit>
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