[p2pu-webcraft] Challenges Feedback

Jamie Curle jamie.curle at jamiecurle.com
Tue Aug 30 19:18:11 UTC 2011

Hi Pippa, 


I thought it was worthy of trendy full stop style.

If the content was in humble markdown and stored in a repository then we could fork and push to it.  For bonus points we could tap into the post-receive hooks and use that to update the live site.

Let me check that out.



On 30 Aug 2011, at 18:18, Pippa Buchanan wrote:

> I'm really interested in how the final challenges could use version
> control so that a more curated approach could be taken on the content.
> This is broadly interesting for OER beyond the Web Challenges - How
> are remixes a) tracked and b) curated and potentially merged back to
> the primary version?
> Obviously having the challenge text available in the P2PU system
> allows user edits. Would it be possible to link the versions in Task
> content to an original version in Github and somehow diff the changes
> as participants change content?
> P*
> On 30 August 2011 19:11, Jamie Curle <jamie.curle at jamiecurle.com> wrote:
>> The tasks aren't currently part of Lernanta because I needed somewhere to
>> develop them outside of the constraints of the lernanta model - so they're
>> not directly editable in this way.
>> Doing them outside of lernanta has many benefits, but also a few downsides
>> and this use case is one of the downsides. All is not lost however, because
>> we can open them to people to edit as they and when is required.
>> Cheers,
>> Jamie.
>> On 30 Aug 2011, at 17:57, Alison Cole wrote:
>> If Laura joins the course as a participant she can edit all tasks that Jamie
>> has marked collaborative/editable.
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Laura Hilliger <laura at zythepsary.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> Just wanted to give some feedback on the challenges. First off, I applaud
>>> all those involved. You guys rock.
>>> I'd like to give some feedback on http://webmaking101.p2pu.org/ as a
>>> whole, from the perspective of someone not involved. I get that it's a pilot
>>> program, I have no idea what your timeline is and I don't know what all
>>> you're already discussing. I'm also aware that it's a draft. If my feedback
>>> is irrelevant than please forgive me for wasting your time! That said, I
>>> have perused a bunch of your documentation.
>>> 1. On the Introduction page - text says "The only assumption made is that
>>> the learner can use the web..." Really, what does this mean "use the web"?
>>> I'm a little confused on the target audience. Through the documentation that
>>> I find on Webmaking 101, the target audience is very loosely defined. In
>>> fact, the definition I find for SoW is "general audience" and "targeted
>>> niche audience" (learning web development from the ground up and niche
>>> topics for developers). Can you be more specific about the target audience?
>>> Who are you targeting, twenty-somethings that don't write HTML yet? There's
>>> a difference between people who use the web for email, facebook and amazon
>>> and people who know how to USE the web.
>>> The reason i point this out is because there are basics to web usage that
>>> aren't approached on SoW and I wonder if there should be a WebUsage
>>> 101course with challenges that approach those basics. For example,
>>> collaborative document editing - something we all do, but is MAGIC to people
>>> who aren't web "users". You'd be surprised how many people out there don't
>>> actually know that they can share documents without attaching a .doc to an
>>> email. Or searching, lots of people don't actually know how to find things
>>> on the web, believe it or not. Or online photos...This is digital divide
>>> stuff, I guess, but I always thought that SoW should think about approaching
>>> these basics, but I don't know if that was ever in discussion.
>>> These are much bigger questions that apply to a lot of projects out there,
>>> just something to think about.
>>> 2. "The challenges are designed to be followed in a serial manner..." How
>>> will you integrate the challenges to corresponding courses? I'm curious as
>>> to how this will be implemented in SoW and wonder if anyone wants to tell us
>>> about that. Where are the challenges going to be accessible? What does one
>>> have to complete to start doing the challenges? Are the challenges only
>>> attached to the Webmaking 101 course, or will they be accessible through the
>>> CSS or HTML5 courses as well?
>>> 3. There are a lot, a lot of typos. I'd be happy to do some editing if you
>>> point me to an editable document.
>>> 4. On the 2nd challenge, 1st task - "12 Rules for Choosing the Right
>>> Domain" is directed at users in the USA. European users have a very
>>> different take on some of these points. Just an FYI. 3rd Task - give
>>> recommendations for FLOSS editors!
>>> 5. Is this how the challenges are to be ordered? If so, you might want to
>>> get people visualizing their pages BEFORE they start programming, or is the
>>> intention that they learn through programming the earlier challenges and
>>> then redo the challenges when creating their site?
>>> 6. What about image editing, webfonts and open licensed content?
>>> Ok, that's enough for now. Don't know if any of it is useful, but those
>>> are the thoughts that were on the top of my head.
>>> Cheers!
>>> Laura
>>> Laura F. Hilliger
>>> laura at zythepsary.com
>>> www.zythepsary.com
>>> @epilepticrabbit
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