[p2pu-webcraft] Challenges Feedback

Philipp Schmidt philipp at p2pu.org
Tue Aug 30 17:06:42 UTC 2011

I believe the challenges still live at webmaking101.p2pu.org at the moment.
Can't be edited by others.


On 30 August 2011 12:57, Alison Cole <alison at p2pu.org> wrote:

> If Laura joins the course as a participant she can edit all tasks that
> Jamie has marked collaborative/editable.
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Laura Hilliger <laura at zythepsary.com>wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> Just wanted to give some feedback on the challenges. First off, I applaud
>> all those involved. You guys rock.
>> I'd like to give some feedback on http://webmaking101.p2pu.org/ as a
>> whole, from the perspective of someone not involved. I get that it's a pilot
>> program, I have no idea what your timeline is and I don't know what all
>> you're already discussing. I'm also aware that it's a draft. If my feedback
>> is irrelevant than please forgive me for wasting your time! That said, I
>> have perused a bunch of your documentation.
>> 1. On the Introduction page - text says "The only assumption made is that
>> the learner can use the web..." Really, what does this mean "use the web"?
>> I'm a little confused on the target audience. Through the documentation that
>> I find on Webmaking 101, the target audience is very loosely defined. In
>> fact, the definition I find for SoW is "general audience" and "targeted
>> niche audience" (learning web development from the ground up and niche
>> topics for developers). Can you be more specific about the target audience?
>> Who are you targeting, twenty-somethings that don't write HTML yet? There's
>> a difference between people who use the web for email, facebook and amazon
>> and people who know how to USE the web.
>> The reason i point this out is because there are basics to web usage that
>> aren't approached on SoW and I wonder if there should be a WebUsage
>> 101course with challenges that approach those basics. For example,
>> collaborative document editing - something we all do, but is MAGIC to people
>> who aren't web "users". You'd be surprised how many people out there don't
>> actually know that they can share documents without attaching a .doc to an
>> email. Or searching, lots of people don't actually know how to find things
>> on the web, believe it or not. Or online photos...This is digital divide
>> stuff, I guess, but I always thought that SoW should think about approaching
>> these basics, but I don't know if that was ever in discussion.
>> These are much bigger questions that apply to a lot of projects out there,
>> just something to think about.
>> 2. "The challenges are designed to be followed in a serial manner..." How
>> will you integrate the challenges to corresponding courses? I'm curious as
>> to how this will be implemented in SoW and wonder if anyone wants to tell us
>> about that. Where are the challenges going to be accessible? What does one
>> have to complete to start doing the challenges? Are the challenges only
>> attached to the Webmaking 101 course, or will they be accessible through the
>> CSS or HTML5 courses as well?
>> 3. There are a lot, a lot of typos. I'd be happy to do some editing if you
>> point me to an editable document.
>> 4. On the 2nd challenge, 1st task - "12 Rules for Choosing the Right
>> Domain" is directed at users in the USA. European users have a very
>> different take on some of these points. Just an FYI. 3rd Task - give
>> recommendations for FLOSS editors!
>> 5. Is this how the challenges are to be ordered? If so, you might want to
>> get people visualizing their pages BEFORE they start programming, or is the
>> intention that they learn through programming the earlier challenges and
>> then redo the challenges when creating their site?
>> 6. What about image editing, webfonts and open licensed content?
>> Ok, that's enough for now. Don't know if any of it is useful, but those
>> are the thoughts that were on the top of my head.
>> Cheers!
>> Laura
>> Laura F. Hilliger
>> laura at zythepsary.com
>> www.zythepsary.com
>> @epilepticrabbit <http://twitter.com/#%21/epilepticrabbit>
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