[p2pu-webcraft] Challenges Feedback

Alison Cole alison at p2pu.org
Tue Aug 30 16:57:18 UTC 2011

If Laura joins the course as a participant she can edit all tasks that Jamie
has marked collaborative/editable.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Laura Hilliger <laura at zythepsary.com>wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> Just wanted to give some feedback on the challenges. First off, I applaud
> all those involved. You guys rock.
> I'd like to give some feedback on http://webmaking101.p2pu.org/ as a
> whole, from the perspective of someone not involved. I get that it's a pilot
> program, I have no idea what your timeline is and I don't know what all
> you're already discussing. I'm also aware that it's a draft. If my feedback
> is irrelevant than please forgive me for wasting your time! That said, I
> have perused a bunch of your documentation.
> 1. On the Introduction page - text says "The only assumption made is that
> the learner can use the web..." Really, what does this mean "use the web"?
> I'm a little confused on the target audience. Through the documentation that
> I find on Webmaking 101, the target audience is very loosely defined. In
> fact, the definition I find for SoW is "general audience" and "targeted
> niche audience" (learning web development from the ground up and niche
> topics for developers). Can you be more specific about the target audience?
> Who are you targeting, twenty-somethings that don't write HTML yet? There's
> a difference between people who use the web for email, facebook and amazon
> and people who know how to USE the web.
> The reason i point this out is because there are basics to web usage that
> aren't approached on SoW and I wonder if there should be a WebUsage
> 101course with challenges that approach those basics. For example,
> collaborative document editing - something we all do, but is MAGIC to people
> who aren't web "users". You'd be surprised how many people out there don't
> actually know that they can share documents without attaching a .doc to an
> email. Or searching, lots of people don't actually know how to find things
> on the web, believe it or not. Or online photos...This is digital divide
> stuff, I guess, but I always thought that SoW should think about approaching
> these basics, but I don't know if that was ever in discussion.
> These are much bigger questions that apply to a lot of projects out there,
> just something to think about.
> 2. "The challenges are designed to be followed in a serial manner..." How
> will you integrate the challenges to corresponding courses? I'm curious as
> to how this will be implemented in SoW and wonder if anyone wants to tell us
> about that. Where are the challenges going to be accessible? What does one
> have to complete to start doing the challenges? Are the challenges only
> attached to the Webmaking 101 course, or will they be accessible through the
> CSS or HTML5 courses as well?
> 3. There are a lot, a lot of typos. I'd be happy to do some editing if you
> point me to an editable document.
> 4. On the 2nd challenge, 1st task - "12 Rules for Choosing the Right
> Domain" is directed at users in the USA. European users have a very
> different take on some of these points. Just an FYI. 3rd Task - give
> recommendations for FLOSS editors!
> 5. Is this how the challenges are to be ordered? If so, you might want to
> get people visualizing their pages BEFORE they start programming, or is the
> intention that they learn through programming the earlier challenges and
> then redo the challenges when creating their site?
> 6. What about image editing, webfonts and open licensed content?
> Ok, that's enough for now. Don't know if any of it is useful, but those are
> the thoughts that were on the top of my head.
> Cheers!
> Laura
> Laura F. Hilliger
> laura at zythepsary.com
> www.zythepsary.com
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