<div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid973"><span class="b">Hi all<br><br>Here are the notes from this week's community call. It was all things to all people, and then some. Seriously. <br>Thanks to everyone who attended. <br>

All notes, plus those from previous meetings, and the chat transcripts can be found on the pad:<b> </b><a href="http://pad.p2pu.org/community">http://pad.p2pu.org/community</a><br><b><br><br>Agenda</b></span></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid974">

<br></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid975"><ul class="list-bullet1"><li><span class="">Standups</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Feedback on UX [John is moving today - Philipp]</span></li><li>

<span class="">Featured Courses for the weekly mailer</span></li><li><span class="author-g-b5fth6dip02kgvn3">Spam policy</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">SoW discussion</span></li></ul></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid979">

<br></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid980"><br></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid7495"><span class="b"><b>Attendees</b></span></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid7496"><br></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid758">

<ul class="list-bullet1"><li><span class="author-g-b5fth6dip02kgvn3">Alison</span></li><li><span class="author-g-kkr4u0ayipkn89fw">Zuzel</span></li><li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">Bekka</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Philipp</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Gunner</span></li><li><span class="author-g-995aayshfxleymtt">Artur</span></li><li><span class="author-g-djkroboj0oz122ztd1ut">Erin (tardy)</span></li></ul></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid847">

<br></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid887"><br></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid988"><span class="b"><b>NOTES</b></span></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid876"><br></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid877">

<span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n b"><b>Stand-ups for projects</b></span></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid742"><ul class="list-bullet1"><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Assesment & Badges [Erin - by email]</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-b5fth6dip02kgvn3">Chloe starts today! Our new Assessment Specialist! Woo! </span><span class="author-g-b5fth6dip02kgvn3 url"><a href="http://varelidi.com/">http://varelidi.com/</a></span></li><li>

<span class="author-g-b5fth6dip02kgvn3">We
 are working to define the badging strategy and requirements for  the 
Webcraft Challenges. Hope to have the plan finalized by the end of  this
 week or first thing next and the goal is to launch at the end of  
September along with the first 5 or so challenges. Tracking here: </span><span class="author-g-b5fth6dip02kgvn3 url"><a href="http://pad.p2pu.org/webcraft-challenges-badges">http://pad.p2pu.org/webcraft-challenges-badges</a></span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-b5fth6dip02kgvn3">Our
 advisory/design group is making headway on the assessment  framework 
paper - a deliverable required for the Hewlett grant but also  will be 
important to frame/model our assessments and evidence of learning moving
 forward. </span></li><li><span class="author-g-b5fth6dip02kgvn3">P2PU
 is presenting the SoW badges in our nation's capital! Ali (and  maybe 
Jessy?) will be representing for P2PU at the MacArthur DML competition 
(focused on badges) announcement event in DC and demoing the SoW badge 
work up to this point with an audience that includes tons of media, fed 
agency folks, industry bigwigs, etc.(translation: its a big  deal). I am
 happy to talk more about this at some point on the call if people are 
interested.</span></li></ul><br><ul class="list-bullet2"><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Metrics [Zuzel]</span></li><li><span class="author-g-kkr4u0ayipkn89fw">Tracking of page views is on production (only visible on the admin site)</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-kkr4u0ayipkn89fw">The UI that karen will see and later other organizer will see is on a demo on </span><span class="author-g-kkr4u0ayipkn89fw url"><a href="http://alppha.p2pu.org:8092/">http://alppha.p2pu.org:8092</a></span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-kkr4u0ayipkn89fw">Jessica is working on finishing metrics work this week</span></li></ul></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid966"><ul class="list-bullet2"><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">User Support [Alison</span><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n s"><s> / John</s></span><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">]</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-b5fth6dip02kgvn3">Adding content to knowledge base in <a href="http://help.p2pu.org">help.p2pu.org</a></span></li><li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">feedback from the community welcome here as well</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-b5fth6dip02kgvn3">Anyone can view the help desk as it currently is and offer feedback.</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n b"><b>Ali w</b></span><span class="author-g-b5fth6dip02kgvn3 b"><b>ill prompt community to review within coming weeks, timing will be tied in with UX changes</b></span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-b5fth6dip02kgvn3">Would like admin to contribute core content for now.</span></li><li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">At the moment the help desk content is only in English, is there a way to offer this in another language? </span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">Dependent on a community of non-English speakers who can offer support, which we don't quite have yet, but maybe in time. </span></li><li><span class="author-g-kkr4u0ayipkn89fw b"><b>On the dev TODO list we have the implementation of Si</b></span><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n b"><b>n</b></span><span class="author-g-kkr4u0ayipkn89fw b"><b>gle S</b></span><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n b"><b>i</b></span><span class="author-g-kkr4u0ayipkn89fw b"><b>gn On for <a href="http://help.p2pu.org">help.p2pu.org</a></b></span></li>

</ul></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid1094"><ul class="list-bullet3"><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Webcraft [John is moving today - Philipp]</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Challenges review process moving along</span><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf"> -</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf"> a lot of feedback from the community already</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n url"><a href="http://webmaking101.p2pu.org/">http://webmaking101.p2pu.org/</a></span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">John will work with non-p2p</span><span class="author-g-b5fth6dip02kgvn3">u</span><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">, non-developer people to see how they go, so we can get some real live testing done. </span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">Final draft pushed out early next week for feedback</span></li></ul></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid1381"><ul class="list-bullet3"><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">UX</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">A lot of progress made</span></li><li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">These are not totally final:</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n url"><a href="http://alpha.p2pu.org:8091/en/schools/school-of-webcraft/">http://alpha.p2pu.org:8091/en/schools/school-of-webcraft/</a></span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n url"><a href="http://alpha.p2pu.org:8091/en/">http://alpha.p2pu.org:8091/en/</a></span></li><li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">Header and footer changes sent out for feedback</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-kkr4u0ayipkn89fw">Also need feedback about the fonts and background changes</span></li><li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">Zuzel rolling these out into the site at the moment</span></li>
</ul>
</div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid1689"><ul class="list-bullet2"><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Tech [Zuzel]</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n url"><a href="http://blogs.p2pu.org/blog/2011/09/01/new-features-on-p2pu-org-v-1-3/">http://blogs.p2pu.org/blog/2011/09/01/new-features-on-p2pu-org-v-1-3/</a></span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-kkr4u0ayipkn89fw url"><a href="https://github.com/p2pu/lernanta/wiki/Dev-Meetings-2011">https://github.com/p2pu/lernanta/wiki/Dev-Meetings-2011</a></span><span class="author-g-kkr4u0ayipkn89fw"> <-- tech update is mostly here</span></li>

</ul></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid657"><br></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid2979"><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf b"><b>Feedback on UX </b></span></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid2611">

<ul class="list-bullet2"><li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">If anyone hasn't looked at John's emails (new header and footer), please look at them, and give feedback on the list. </span></li><li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">We can revert changes, but always better to get it right before we launch them</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">General home page and schools home page chnages to come soon.</span></li><li><span class="author-g-kkr4u0ayipkn89fw">Also need feedback about the backgrounds and fonts.</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Will this be in the course home page draft?</span></li></ul></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid2531"><br></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid2552"><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n b"><b>Featured Courses</b></span></div>

<div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid2954"><ul class="list-bullet2"><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">What's the process to find good courses every week?</span><span class="author-g-b5fth6dip02kgvn3"> Alison will bring examples to the list</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Ok to include "courses under development"?</span><span class="author-g-b5fth6dip02kgvn3"> yes</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Needs a tech change</span><span class="author-g-kkr4u0ayipkn89fw"> (will do it is already in place for schools, just have to do it on the general list too)</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Question
 -> Can Ali provide a lit of things that are looking interesting? 
She's in touch with course organizers a lot more / daily basis</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n b"><b>Ali</b></span><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n"> to do a weekly round-up each week going forward</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Feature School of Ed courses this week</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">See Karen's blog posts about this, and loads of tweets </span><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n padtag padtag_p2puedu"><a href="http://pad.p2pu.org/ep/search?query=p2puedu">#p2puedu</a></span></li>

</ul></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid2955"><br></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid2980"><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf b"><b>Spam policy</b></span></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid3074">
<ul class="list-bullet2">
<li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">Spammers are providing active links on the site to their commercial sites</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Ideal will be to hide them completely</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">This allows rolling back in case something turns out not to be SPAM</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Requires development work </span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Also consider "nofollow" links to reduce </span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">But unless we can make sure SPAMers know it's not really effective</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">But at least Google doesn't think of us as a spammer</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Question/ Boundary case:</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Pseudo course which points to someone's URL to increase search results</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Need a policy:</span></li>

<ul class="list-bullet3"><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Very short -> 3 sentences</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">We reserve the right to remove content that is unproductive or inappropriate ... </span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Get Gunner's input on this! </span></li></ul></ul></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid7510"><ul class="list-bullet2"><li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf b"><b>Bekka to draft for next week </b></span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Get feedback from community</span></li></ul></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid2957"><br></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid2733"><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n b"><b>SoW</b></span></div>

<div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid4011"><ul class="list-bullet4"><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Should
 SoW community members already running courses be allowed to continue to
 do so? If someone proposes a new course, what happens?</span></li><ul class="list-bullet1"><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Nope - sorry</span><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf"> *we probably don't want this*</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Sure - old model still works</span></li></ul><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Is the new webcraft model still in the P2P spirit?</span></li><ul class="list-bullet1">
<li>
<span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">Major changes to be made to how SoW works in the next little while, in terms of how courses work, challenges, processes etc</span></li></ul><li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">Change
 always has the potential to surface tension points, and we need to 
consider where these might be and how we should deal with them</span></li><li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">For
 example: At the moment, we have several people who are running 
successful courses, so how will these fit in with a challenges-oriented 
way of doing things? </span></li><li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">Alison
 & Zuzel think: until we check if the challenges model is  
successful we should not get rid of the old model and even if they are 
su</span><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">c</span><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">cessful we need feedback from existing facilitators</span></li><li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">An untested challenges model which doesn't work will leave us with nothing, which we want to avoid. </span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">Does
 this new model mean that more experts will be running courses, and if 
this is the case does it mean that we might be moving away from the Peer
 2 Peer spirit of doing things?</span></li><li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">The challenges objective is to make it in fact more scaleable for peer learning to happen</span></li><li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">It
 would be useful to get some documentation on what has worked/not worked
 so far, so that we can communicate what changes are happening and why</span></li><li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">Inheritance of courses has been a problem</span></li><li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">Incentives to run courses has been a problem</span></li>

<ul><li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">Need to make incentives for running courses AND for being facilitators stronger.</span></li><li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">Charging for the second, th</span><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">i</span><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">rd, fourth time round might be an example</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-4dqjprhbc80hcvqf">Pushback on this has been strong</span></li></ul></ul></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid7501"><ul class="list-bullet2"><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Blog posts describing this:</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n url"><a href="http://blogs.p2pu.org/blog/2011/08/19/state-of-webcraft-webmaking-101/">http://blogs.p2pu.org/blog/2011/08/19/state-of-webcraft-webmaking-101/</a></span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n url"><a href="http://blogs.p2pu.org/blog/2011/08/25/webmaking-101-my-first-few-super-weeks/">http://blogs.p2pu.org/blog/2011/08/25/webmaking-101-my-first-few-super-weeks/</a></span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n b"><b>[Philipp]</b></span><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n"> Next steps:</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Communicate the thinking behind what's going on right now better</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Challenges we've felt with the courses model</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Ideas that will make it MORE p2p</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Linger in the problem space</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Plan A -> challenges</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">What about plan B, or C -> let people pay/charge, higher bar to become a facilitator</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Webcraft is a pilot (testing a new idea)</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Get it out broadly (blog, FB, twitter, email to community list)</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Include an ASK to the community</span></li>

<li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Are we talking around the right problems?</span></li><li><span class="author-g-mv66pb77ebd74y4n">Next survey?</span></li></ul></div><div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid5894"><br>

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