[p2pu-dev] [p2pu-community] audrey waters and stephen downes comment on lernanta
josmasflores at gmail.com
Thu Jul 5 19:57:54 UTC 2012
best of luck with your new mooc.
I spent the last 40 minutes or so reading about connectivism and I
cannot say I've particularly liked what I read (personal opinion). I
also find it quite hard to relate those ideas with my experience in
Coursera. It might be just me! ;)
On 5 July 2012 20:26, Verena Roberts <verenanz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Jose-
> We're starting a new MOOC like course today...on tracking digital footprints
> and social media for the k-12 audience....
> #DigiFoot12 http://digifoot12.wikispaces.com/
> In order to try and figure out all about "connectivism" and networks...I
> chose not to go through P2PU - this time - or Coursesites...or
> Moodle...Tried to avoid the LMS to introduce the K-12 world to life without
> a LMS. P2PU is amazing, (instructional design is awesome by the way) but it
> offered too much structure - if we are trying to see if we can connect by
> learning by ourselves...
> As the "Lead" Facilitator I am hoping that as a group we can learn how to
> "network" and learn together outside of a LMS. I took the #Change11 MOOC
> with Siemens and Downes and it had no LMS. I came in late and had to figure
> the whole networked learning thing out on my own - it was pretty
> isolating....I wanted to try and create a MOOC like option that would be as
> inclusive as possible...doable?
> So I have to agree - P2PU is "kind" of like a LMS, but not. I am going to
> use P2PU it as an example for many of the teachers who are already asking
> "How do I offer" an open online course....Honestly - it is really hard to
> "reign" in everyone in a completely open environment- and dare I say we need
> to "scaffold" open online learning. P2P offers a fantastic option.
> I'm working on tweet tracking, RSS tracking and creating "network" areas so
> people can find each other....that's a HUGE advantage of an LMS! It's
> already done for you.....
> Anyway ....everyone is different...yet doing very similar things....we all
> have to keep trying!
> Verena :)
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Jos Flores <josmasflores at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey guys,
>> I don't think you are misreading it and I have to agree with Downes;
>> Lernanta at this stage is an LMS; it allows users to create and/or
>> participate in courses; no matter if there are three flavours of
>> courses or if you can 'follow' a course as opposed to 'participating'
>> (is that what the highlighted community aspect is?). Also does not
>> matter if the content is original or rehashed. There is no way in or
>> out (other than through the site) and it does not provide any
>> additional features to users.
>> I don't want it to sound as criticism, but what can anyone do in
>> Lernanta that cannot be done with Moodle? The structure of a challenge
>> could be replicated in a course/study group.
>> I know there's been a lot of work regarding moocs in the last few
>> months, but I know that because I follow the discussion. None of that
>> is in the software though. Even the main focus of the last year or two
>> (I'd say) which was badges (is this correct?) is not a core part of
>> the software, and it has to be done manually (except for OBI
>> integration, which, in any case, generates a quantifiable number of
>> suppor tickets).
>> I might be barking at the wrong tree here cause I know near to nothing
>> about moocs. As far as I know Coursera (the only platform I have used)
>> is pretty much the same as Lernanta or Moodle. Looks different, does
>> the same thing. The whole idea of a 'Participative pedagogical model'
>> that Downes seem to be referring to is something I did not see in the
>> saas class; in fact, they were very clear about 'not copying' other
>> people's solutions. Throwing in a forum where you can ask only certain
>> kinds of questions does not make it participative.
>> Anyway, looking forward to hear MOAR about what you guys are up to
>> regarding moocs and how that would make the software different. After
>> all, Lernanta is just a tool and the important thing is how it is used
>> in the end.
>> On 5 July 2012 19:41, Philipp Schmidt <philipp at p2pu.org> wrote:
>> > useful discussion. and important for us to consider the implied
>> > criticism
>> > (from stephen downes) that lernanta doesn't really help users take
>> > ownership
>> > of their learning. or maybe I'm misreading.
>> > i would describe lernanta as a tool that let's communities of users make
>> > sense of the rich diversity of content and ideas on the web together.
>> > whereas in stephen's worldview the individuals are all piloting their
>> > own
>> > learning vehicles, we car-pool.
>> > http://mfeldstein.com/what-lies-beneath-some-thoughts-on-moocs-tech-infrastructure/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+mfeldstein%2Ffeed+%28e-Literate%29
>> > really awesome to see that this was ultimately prompted by dirk's blog
>> > post.
>> > we should blog more.
>> > P
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