[p2pu-dev] [p2pu-community] Notes from this week's community call
Jane Park
janepark at p2pu.org
Thu Aug 23 16:19:27 UTC 2012
Re School of Open logo - Piet and Philipp, since you're on the School of
Open discussion list - can you raise those issues on the School of Open
logo thread? openly? :)
Re Trello link, this link works for me and is public when I'm not logged
in: https://trello.com/b/slWxdy0L. Maybe it has to do with being part of
the P2PU org? Because I made the board itself public when I created it.
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Rebecca Kahn <bekka at p2pu.org> wrote:
> Much like the Olympics, those of you who were there will know, it was
> brilliant!
> Especially the discussion about the usertesting - thank you, Vanessa!
>
> All notes, and chat transcript can be found here:
> http://pad.p2pu.org/p/community-20120823
>
> *Attendees (welcome to any newbies)*
>
>
> - Add your name (and twitter handle) here
>
>
> - Vanessa (@mozzadrella)
>
>
> - Bekka
>
>
> - dirk
>
>
> - Piet
>
>
> - Philipp
>
>
> - Chris
>
>
> - Molly
>
>
>
> *Standups **What have you been up to? Short **written** notes (we'll
> discuss only if there are questions)*
>
>
> - Bekka
>
>
> - Finance handover
>
>
> - Community emailing
>
>
> - Writing up Berlin
>
>
> - Stats crunching (for newsletter)
>
>
> - Prepping next newsletter - any suggestions welcome
>
>
> - Watching a LOT of cricket
>
>
> - Vanessa
>
>
> - Mechanical Mooc stuff: blog posts, loose ends, begging Dirk for
> help, etc.
>
>
> - *Around 1700 signups as of yesterday :)*
>
>
> - User testing research presentation
>
>
> - Course creation research project
>
>
> - DML research coordination
>
>
> - School of Data coordination--helping shape the larger curriculum in
> light of interest-based learning
>
>
> - All of the DML webinars/hangouts/administrivia
>
>
> - Working on Project page for Mechanical MOOC
>
>
> - Googlehangout with OpenPhDs later today (possibly)
>
>
> - Chris
>
>
> - CSS framework has good progress made.
>
>
> - We will have all the styles in a good place for early next week to
> start using it
>
>
> - Philipp
>
>
> - Shuttleworth funding
>
>
> - Mechanical MOOC basking in the limelight
>
>
> - Getting back into the swing of things
>
>
> - Dirk
>
>
> - Learn page updates - see alpha.p2pu.org
>
>
> - School of Open in footer - see alpha.p2pu.org
>
>
> - trying to move archive.p2pu.org to shared hosting
>
>
> - Jane
>
>
> - School of open logo
> http://info.p2pu.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/schoolofopen-eh3-dark.png is
> the winner!
>
>
> - Piet -> I feel a bit uneasy about "CC" being on the logo. while CC
> is a main partner in the SoO, it's not the only group or set of individuals
> involved. plus, the SoO is about more than copyright or licensing. it's
> huge as it should be. the more the logo reflects CC, the less *diverse*
> participation we'll see (I think). I really want to see groups like
> FreeSkool and various Occupy movements get involved, and CC might be a
> deterrent.
>
>
> - I thought the same today. Does it exclude other open licenses like
> the OSS licenses etc.
>
>
> - Does it give us legitimacy and branding power that is useful? It can
> be CC-sponsored/supported--CC has like, 60,000 twitter followers
>
>
> - CC's participation and support definitly supplies great legitimacy
> and branding power. that can be leveraged in many ways, but doesn't mean
> the logo needs to include CC.
>
>
> - Philipp -> I agree that having a strong partner can drown out other
> partners, but it's a delicate balance - the reality is that CC brings a
> huge, and diferent audience, and providing support in terms of Jane's
> position, and other logistics. Perhaps we can find a way that the CC logo
> can be used in a more subtle way
>
>
> - I see no issue in putting the CC logo on the school of open site - I
> just think the school's logo should be more, well, open...
>
>
> - School of Data - Nice logo with OKFN branding in the logo
> http://schoolofdata.org/
>
>
> - Isn't that the OKFN logo?
>
>
> - I see that the Webcraft logo has Mozilla prominently placed and i
> understand why you want to do that. I do wonder what message that sends
> though (sponsoring a school gets you advertising space).
>
>
> - Running School of Open openly on trello (
> https://trello.com/b/slWxdy0L) and elsewhere as noted in discussion
> list: http:// <http://groups.google.com/group/school-of-open>
> groups.google.com/group/school-of-open
>
>
> - the trello page is private, can we make it public?
>
>
> - Ready to rock at OKFest in Helsinki w/School of Data -- feedback
> welcome on workshop format:
> http://etherpad.creativecommons.org/p/Open%20Peer%20Learning%20Workshop
>
>
> - Going to be running mini-workshop for CC staff at in-town-week
>
>
> - Joint convening w/37 major funders, "open" leaders, and CC
> affiliates (including P + D) is coming along, now has a wiki page:
> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Open_Policy_Institute/2012_Convening
>
>
> - Iterating on courses with Open.Michigan!
>
>
> - NWP has expressed interest in co-creating a future course for their
> educator community on CC tools-->that's *awesome* Jane
>
>
> - Add your name (optional)
>
>
>
> *News of the week **Written** notes on what's going on in our world
> (bring up special announcements on the call)*
>
>
> - Blog posts you wrote
>
>
> - From P:
> http://info.p2pu.org/2012/08/21/its-alive-the-mechanical-mooc-offers-gentle-intro-to-python/ (actually
> written by VMG - but i'll take the credit)
>
>
> - Articles you read
>
>
> - Google changing the algorithm for organic search:
> http://www.wordstream.com/blog/ws/2012/08/21/new-google-serp?mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRoiu67AZKXonjHpfsX/4uwpWKWg38431UFwdcjKPmjr1YcHT8V0dvycMRAVFZl5nRtXCOSGaJJF%2B/g%3D
>
>
> - BostonInno:
> http://bostinno.com/2012/08/23/mit-opencourseware-partners-with-codecademy-openstudy/
>
>
> - NYT:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/education/mechanical-mooc-to-rely-on-free-learning-sites.html?_r=1
>
>
> - Initiatives you heard about
>
>
> - Connected Educator Month at the U.S. Dept of Ed - they want people
> to submit badges for educators to earn; maybe some tie-in with the School
> of Ed? (http://connectededucators.org/communities/submit-badges/) -- I
> heard about this from a post to the Mozilla Open Badges group
>
>
>
> *Key updates* *Super short updates about P2PU*
>
>
> - Exciting new courses to check out (Bekka)
>
>
> -
> https://p2pu.org/en/groups/data-cleaning-and-basic-spreadsheet-skills/ -
> please review!
>
>
> - https://p2pu.org/en/groups/data-wrangling-stage-2-multiple-data-sets/ -
> ditto!
>
>
> - https://p2pu.org/en/groups/play-framework-first-steps/ - feedback
> would be great
>
>
> - Development priorities (Dirk)
>
>
> - Release next week - not a major release
>
>
> - Learn page improvements
>
>
> - School of Open in footer
>
>
> - CSS framework
>
>
> - Psyched about this--will it make our CSS cleaner? Fonts, corners,
> etc?
>
>
> - Courses, Challenges & Groups -> Courses
>
>
> - Course creation
>
>
> - That research will be complete this weekend, Dirk :) I'll pass it to
> you ASAP.
>
>
> - Server upkeep
>
>
> - State of the mustard (Philipp)
>
>
> - Stats slightly down this month (5%)
>
>
> - Haven't had time to investigate but probably just be the post-Berlin
> blues
>
>
> - What about blog traffic? One sec ... huge spike since the
> Mechanical MOOC announcement
>
>
> - info.p2pu.org exploded on the day, went from <100 to 900 :)
>
>
> - p2pu.org also received increased traffic
>
>
> - http://mechanical <http://mechanicalmooc.org/>mooc.org<http://mechanicalmooc.org/> received
> 2835 on the day
>
>
> - http://cl.ly/image/3l0B0544303P
>
>
> *Agenda **Core of the call. Focused on four types of conversations
> (invited guests, challenges you need help with, proposals you want feedback
> on, ideas you need collaborators for). *
>
>
> - Support for Schools
>
>
> - Community: so many google groups and mailing lists... how do I
> encourage more participation in mine? School of Open discussion list...
>
>
> - Home page, Learn page: We have a logo -- can we feat. School of Open
> on the home page now?
>
>
> - Yes - DU working on it (quick fix is to add to footer, longer-term
> we might bring back the Schools drop-down in the header)
>
>
> - see alpha.p2pu.org with short term fix
>
>
> - P2PU Turning 3
>
>
> - Dates for timeline
>
>
> - Thank yous to community
>
>
> - Who wants to bake a giant cake? ME!!!
>
>
> - Photos of people blowing out 3 candle cakes
>
>
> - Illustrations by Alison? (I'm still waiting for my profile picture)
>
>
> - have asked her to do this for the thank-you's, she's keen
>
>
> - We need key dates from the community--let's ask them
>
>
> - User Testing of P2PU Homepage Mockups
>
>
> - Pop on over to the slideshare
>
>
> -
> http://www.slideshare.net/VanessaGennarelli/user-research-p2puorg-home-page
>
>
> - VMG -> There are several collaborative design tools out there, and I
> think that they are a way to combine ways of group
> collaboration/participation beyond a mailing list
>
>
> - Slide 2 -> 2 key questions: can new learners find info they need to
> enroll? and Can organisers find the info they need to create a course?
>
>
> - Slide 3: We used VerifyApp, and decided on 2 tests - a labelling
> test to see if new users "get" p2pu when they come to the site, and an
> annotation test, to see if organisers can get what they need
>
>
> - Slide 4: We got 100 responses on the labelling test (1000 people
> looked at it)
>
>
> - Slide 5: Results (some): our labelling does not come across as
> clear, the cover looks like a price tag (people expect to see a price
> there), create a course is an intimidating ask
>
>
> - Slide 6: People HATE the activity feed.
>
>
> - Current activity stream is not useful. Let's get rid of it.
>
>
> - Long-term -> It's nice to get a sense of "activity" on the homepage,
> to feel like there is something going on here. Could put on the backburner
> and try to build a better activity stream at some point.
>
>
> - Slide 7: suggestions: tweak cover slide (people want to know an
> organiser's name before they enroll), include signup button, include a
> "tour" function, insted of activity feed, could feature schools, badges,
> pictures and profiles of power users (+1 from Bekka)
>
>
> - maybe we can show awarded badges instead of activity or pending
> badges
>
>
> - Slide 8: Annotation test: this slide is a visualisation of this
> test's results
>
>
> - Slide 9: "create a course" button more frequently used, people don't
> understnad why it's important to learn with peers, people are cinfused
> about the call to action,
>
>
> - Slide 10: Reconsider the "find" versus "create" flow - let people
> see the courses before asking them to create - that way they become more
> familiar with the culture of P2PU.
>
>
> - I like Option 2 (and would add schools and people)
>
>
> - "Learn more" -> "Take a tour" (also recommended on slide 7)
>
>
> - Slide 11: realisations for next time -
>
>
> - Slide 12: talk to Dirk and Chris about implementation, Always Be
> Testing, results are on dropbox:
>
>
> - Applause!! +1 (this is fantastic!)+1 many many times
>
>
> - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxAKFlpdcfc
>
>
> - Philipp -> What I really like is the idea of using the home page to
> help people learn about the culture, and this should guide the design of
> the home page.
>
>
> - It would be useful to show people courses, schools and people on the
> home page
>
>
> - I like "take a tour", I think it's better than "learn more"
>
>
> - VMG: I can write that content :) and I'm happy to help...
>
>
> - Feedback seems to be that we need to get rid of the activity feed.
> Not that acivity feeds are bad, but right now ours sucks. So if we have one
> that listed interestng things, it would be a good idea to bring it back,
> but not right now.
>
>
> - Philipp -> I don't think a designer is what we need right now, if we
> can get the CSS stuff up, then a lot of the design elements are in the
> framework, and we have a grid so it's about getting material into the grid.
> Then Chris and/or a front end developer can work on that
>
>
> - Chris > I think we still need a look and feel though, because then
> we can implement stuff faster
>
>
> - Dirk -> perhaps we can get a designer to come in and look at things
> every now and then, do evaluations, and fix the worst stuff, rather than
> overhauling the design completly.
>
>
> - VMG -> So our workflow would be: I work with Chris to see what can
> be implemented now, and what still needs to be designed?
>
>
> - Philipp -> I think a lot of it depends on how far we are with the
> CSS framework, becuase if we're close to having that ready, then we can get
> going on that quite quickly.
>
>
> - Chris -> I think the CSS will be ready next week, so then we don't
> have to worry about duplicating stuff.
>
>
> *General discussion and questions*
>
>
> - Anything else that just needs to be said out loud
>
>
> - South Africa is at the top of the ICC Test Cricket rankings!
>
>
> - Vanessa is heading back to school---grrrrrrrr
>
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