[p2pu-dev] first impressions on new.p2pu

Brian Brennan brianloveswords at gmail.com
Wed May 25 07:23:15 UTC 2011

> I haven't used either, but I know that the AMO team (as well as others at
> Mozilla) have moved away from Sphinx in favour of ElasticSearch... I can't
> recall the exact reasons why ES was chosen over Solr, but the move away from
> sphinx was prompted by a feeling that Sphinx was too complicated and hard to
> support.


ElasticSearch looks pretty rad, though.

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Paul Osman <paul at mozillafoundation.org>wrote:

> I haven't used either, but I know that the AMO team (as well as others at
> Mozilla) have moved away from Sphinx in favour of ElasticSearch (another
> Java / Lucene based search engine). ES has been in use for a long while by
> our metrics team who push a ton of data through it. I can't recall the exact
> reasons why ES was chosen over Solr, but the move away from sphinx was
> prompted by a feeling that Sphinx was too complicated and hard to support.
> -P
> On 11-05-23 09:38 AM, Jessy Kate Schingler wrote:
>> Cool, I'm not familiar with sphinx search. I wonder if Paul has any
>> thoughts/experience on sphinx search versus solr? Adding him to cc :)
>> Jessy
>> On Monday, May 23, 2011, zuzel.vp<zuzel.vp at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:16 AM, Jessy Kate Schingler
>>> <jessy at jessykate.com>  wrote:
>>>> re user sign up-- sorry i wasn't clear. i meant signing up for a course,
>>>> not
>>>> an account. he already had an account, but couldn't find where to sign
>>>> up
>>>> for a specific course that was open for sign up. for these courses,
>>>> could we
>>>> have a bigger button(s) near the top of the course homepage?
>>> http://p2pu.lighthouseapp.com/projects/71002/tickets/337-move-follow-participate-and-contact-organiser-buttons-above-the-fold
>>>  re search, have you thought about something like
>>>> solr? http://lucene.apache.org/solr/
>>>> solr indexes along any fields you define (typically multiple), to enable
>>>> fast real time search given a large variety of potential
>>>> parameters/filters.
>>>> it trades off space (ie, the indexes can get big) for speed and
>>>> scalability,
>>>> basically. it's used on many "high traffic
>>>> websites": http://wiki.apache.org/solr/PublicServers.
>>>> i set up solr for one of my projects at sunlight and worked a lot with
>>>> index
>>>> definitions; if there's interest i would be happy to set it up for us.
>>>> it's
>>>> free and open source. index space isn't an issue for us AFAIK, but the
>>>> main
>>>> potential drawback i could imagine is that our dev server probably
>>>> couldn't
>>>> handle the extra load. thoughts?
>>> Any experiments on implementing search are welcome, and now that we
>>> can import course content from the old site it will be easier to test
>>> performance in a dev instance. However, I recommend not including it
>>> in production until we are sure both search and indexing works for
>>> larges amounts of data (at least comparable to what we have in the old
>>> site right now), and that it does not cause lock errors.
>>> The last time we meet with Paul we talked about
>>> http://sphinxsearch.com/ with is used by
>>> https://github.com/jbalogh/zamboni/tree/master/apps/search. That is
>>> another one we could experiment with, though it also has its
>>> performance issues.
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>>     Zuzel
>>>  Jessy
>>>> --
>>>> http://jessykate.com
>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Philipp Schmidt<phi.schmidt at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Search is a problem we hoped batucada would solve.
>>>>> Zuzel: could you check with Paul what the status on that is?
>>>>> To reduce confusion on the courses list page, we could also consider
>>>>> listing draft courses on a separate page.
>>>>> P
>>>>> On 23 May 2011 12:17 AM, "zuzel.vp"<zuzel.vp at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>> Sign up/Registration of new accounts was temporarily hidden on
>>>>>> purpose. Before the migration occurs we need users not to create new
>>>>>> accounts unless they had never used the old site so they keep their
>>>>>> identities. After the creation of new accounts in the old site is
>>>>>> disabled we will migrate all user accounts to the new site. At that
>>>>>> point we will not need anymore the current restriction of not allowing
>>>>>> any user to register accounts with username/email from the old site
>>>>>> (unless they proved that they are the same person by login in with
>>>>>> their username and password from the old site). After the migration we
>>>>>> can make signup more visible again (either by having all the forms on
>>>>>> the same page or by adding a direct link like in drumbeat/batucada).
>>>>>> Most of the tickets are not assigned to a milestone now because we had
>>>>>> to re-schedule things in order to move the migration to an early date.
>>>>>> However even before this, search was assigned I think to milestone 0.9
>>>>>> because it is a feature hard to implement in a way that scales. All
>>>>>> solutions I have seen including search in a django project tend to
>>>>>> become considerable slow when they are setup in a real world scenario.
>>>>>> One solution could be to rely google for including search capabilities
>>>>>> (http://www.google.com/cse/).
>>>>>> Thoughs?
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Zuzel
>>>>>> On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Alison Jean Cole
>>>>>> <alisonjean.cole at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>> Agree with both of Jessy's suggestions.
>>>>>>> ALISON
>>>>>>> new.p2pu.org/en/alison/
>>>>>>> On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 10:48 AM, John Britton
>>>>>>> <public at johndbritton.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I also think we should make the signup/signin box happen on the same
>>>>>>>> page
>>>>>>>> as opposed to redirecting to a new page, less friction overall.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> contact info:
>>>>>>>> http://www.johndbritton.com
>>>>>>>> @johndbritton - http://twitter.com/johndbritton
>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Jessy Kate Schingler
>>>>>>>> <jessy at jessykate.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 2 pieces of feedback on someone looking at the new.p2pu site.
>>>>>>>>> i had recommended they create an account in order to sign up for a
>>>>>>>>> specific course. so of course the first thing they looked for was
>>>>>>>>> a search
>>>>>>>>> box. there's quite a lot of courses now, so i wonder if the "search
>>>>>>>>> box"
>>>>>>>>> ticket on lighthouse might deserve to be moved up a bit in priority
>>>>>>>>> (currently "unscheduled")?
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