[p2pu-dev] [p2pu-community] Fwd: YUE +p2pu

Pippa Buchanan Pippa.Buchanan at gmail.com
Mon May 23 09:54:26 UTC 2011


I've got very little practical to suggest to this - but I think that this is
a VERY valuable discussion both specific to China and how we deal with
syndication / access in many other countries that control internet access.
P2PU's value is global and we should identify ways to maintain access
globally.

I wonder if Zuzel's idea around somehow syndicating the P2PU service is
worth exploring (I'm thinking status.net style federation)? Obviously there
is the problem of accessing servers within China, but could wework out how
to offer YUE access on a specific install?

P*

On 23 May 2011 09:30, Philipp Schmidt <philipp at p2pu.org> wrote:

> We could host on different server/IP (we have two linodes, and OSUOSL).
>
> Question is -> is YUE interested in using a hosted solution, or is
> self-hosting key for them?
>
> P
>
> 2011/5/23 Stian Håklev <shaklev at gmail.com>
>
>> Blocking is usually by IP, so same server different domain would make no
>> difference. That was our problem with PBwiki.
>>
>> Stian
>>
>>
>> 2011/5/23 Philipp Schmidt <phi.schmidt at gmail.com>
>>
>>> We could consider hosting a separate instance of lernanata on out server
>>> / different domain for them if that would solve the problem. P
>>>  On 20 May 2011 10:11 PM, "Alan Webb" <alancwebb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Hi everyone, just a few notes from a budding partnership with YUE who
>>> wants
>>> > to work with P2PU to get courses started at around 90 universities in
>>> China
>>> > around the topics of storytelling and project management. Laura and I
>>> are
>>> > helping them build up those courses in successive stages starting this
>>> > summer and going into the Fall. YUE is also Wiser-U's partner in China
>>> and
>>> > we are going to be pulling in some help from Ashoka U's network to help
>>> > build these courses also, so this is helping facilitate a great
>>> convergence
>>> > among organisations we would like to feel more and more a part of SoSI.
>>> >
>>> > YUE seems reluctant to use the P2PU site or help with localization, but
>>> we
>>> > did talk about that and they do have the technical capability to help
>>> out.
>>> > Their concerns all seem to stem from a fear that the site could become
>>> > blocked any day, for example by some unmoderated political content
>>> getting
>>> > posted. For that reason, they seem inclined to start with home-grown
>>> > solutions ror now for sharing powerpoints to be used by study groups,
>>> and to
>>> > use QQ or home-grown forums for connecting students. And in the mean
>>> time
>>> > we'll keep talking about how to tie that work together and at a minimum
>>> > share what they do in some way with the rest of the world through P2PU
>>> (they
>>> > offered to translate materials they produce into English, we offered
>>> that
>>> > their energy might be better spent translating the overall P2PU site
>>> into
>>> > Chinese, but that didn't address the above concerns).
>>> >
>>> > This brings up a discussion I had a long time ago with Stian about what
>>> > localization in China might look like, so it's not a new one, but it's
>>> > becoming immediate relevant.
>>> >
>>> > I'd like to ask if anyone has any creative ideas about how to handle
>>> > localization in a place where not just language translation, but also
>>> > government censorship and blocking, are very real concerns and
>>> challenges.
>>> >
>>> > Just for the sake of conversation, if the value of P2PU is in our
>>> community
>>> > more so than our technology, are there any creative ideas how we can
>>> help
>>> > them connect, brand and communicate themselves as part of the P2PU
>>> > community, even if it turns out that they might prefer a home-grown
>>> tech
>>> > solution, or even if they remain reluctant to move their work to one
>>> > platform and domain hosted in the U.S.? What does working together and
>>> > sharing look like in that scenario?
>>> >
>>> > I think this taps into some much broader conversations about the nature
>>> and
>>> > vision of this community, so I wanted to put it out to everyone for
>>> > discussion!
>>> >
>>> > Many Thanks,
>>> > Alan
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> > From: 谢昱Emilia <emiliaxie at qq.com>
>>> > Date: 2011/5/20
>>> > Subject: YUE +p2pu
>>> > To: lew3425 <lew3425 at gmail.com>, "飘飘@QQ.com" <392209216 at qq.com>, 海阔天空
>>> <
>>> > 545868732 at qq.com>, creatorkuang <creatorkuang at gmail.com>, Alan Webb <
>>> > alancwebb at gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi everyone,
>>> > Tonight we have done a great job!
>>> > Here are topics we have talked about:
>>> >
>>> > 1, Plan for p2pu to enter into China:
>>> > Step 1) Design the course together, recruit someone from Ashoka to help
>>> > facilitate - during June
>>> > Step 2) Test the course in July together with people who can help pass
>>> it on
>>> > Step 3) Announce at Wiser U Camp in August
>>> > Step 4) Invite more people to join in Sept / Oct
>>> >
>>> > 2, Course Model:
>>> > Step 1) Members of YUE take the p2pu course and p2pu offer YUE course
>>> > resourse(ppt&words)
>>> > Step 2) The members of YUE retell the course to other students
>>> > Step 3) Other students give course to their group~
>>> > Step 4) Collect feedback
>>> >
>>> > 3, Course design:
>>> > By June 6th, p2pu collect course suggestion and Laura prepare a Course
>>> list
>>> > June -- July 1st, course design by e-mail( Step 1: build the course
>>> > list ---- by June ?? 15th is OK?)
>>> > ( Step 2: fullfill the
>>> > course(p2pu& YUE) ----- by June?? 25th is OK?)
>>> > ( Step 3: promote the
>>> > course -----by June ?? )
>>> > E-mail:
>>> > Laura White: lew3425 at gmail.com
>>> > Emilia Xie :emiliaxie at qq.com
>>> > Perry Huang: 392209216 at qq.com
>>> > Alan Webb: AlanCWebb at gmail.com
>>> > creator kuang" <creatorkuang at gmail.com>
>>> > Wushisheng :545868732 at qq.com
>>> >
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